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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:25:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Odd, I have seen entirely the opposite
Many many threads complaining that EvE doesn't play itself enough for some people and that High Sec isnt safe enough Yep, highsec needs to be safer There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4892
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:28:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:If we're not out blowing **** up, then who buys all that crap that's getting made by industrialists? Don't think too much about it There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4892
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:34:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:If we're not out blowing **** up, then who buys all that crap that's getting made by industrialists? Don't think too much about it There's thinking in EVE? I just press F1 when told. Hm, I see you have not advanced to the elite drone assist doctrines There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4892
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:50:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:If we're not out blowing **** up, then who buys all that crap that's getting made by industrialists? Don't think too much about it There's thinking in EVE? I just press F1 when told. Hm, I see you have not advanced to the elite drone assist doctrines Ah yes, the all-powerful, AFK drone blob, powered by one man. Would it just be a "solo fleet" then?  Boat and his multiboxed bot fleet for draeks There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4893
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:27:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power. It says the empires are losing their grasp on power, but ... not really. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4893
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:36:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Enduros wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power. You mean command of force. You alone will have little force. Cannibal Kane would teach you otherwise. Force projection needs to be nerfed There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4893
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:45:00 -
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Enduros wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Did i spot a strawman? You thought I live in hi-sec? Doesn't everyone have alts in highsec There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4893
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:52:00 -
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Enduros wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Enduros wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Did i spot a strawman? You thought I live in hi-sec? Doesn't everyone have alts in highsec Doesn't everyone keep them in npc corps and as anonymous as possible? 1man corps are better if you use a mission running alt. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4893
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:53:00 -
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Atlantis Fuanan wrote:He is so right! I always look at these blob-ganks stuff and think ... where are you balls? PVP in this game seems to have a different meaning every other has in mind: Instead of having a skilled competition who is the best pilot (SP and skill-wise) it's nearly only number-based factors that decide an outcome of a PVP-Fight. Also this attitude of people just going for every f*ing kill is so poor. I wonder if these people really feel that awesome if they manage to gank a miner (Oh yes, it was a very hard and intense fight) or just blob another group (It was a balanced fight, wasn't it?). But this results ofcourse of the lack of PVP in general. Some people WANT to shoot stuff, but there is no incentive to go for smaller fights as loosing ships seems to be a real pain for even the pvp-dedicated players. So instead they pick up their buddies (which is good) and go to hunt everything, even solo, not dangerous ships (which is just poor). I wonder, so many people seem to be having billions of ISK on their wallets, why are so few people not ready to throw in some pricey ships and just have a skilled fight? Are people really just about to have their Killcounter go up like in any FPS? I know, right?
Like those 100-man fleets in curse. They were just sitting off the test staging systems with drones assigned and that was about it for you if you undocked. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4893
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Posted - 2013.10.20 19:13:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Atlantis Fuanan wrote:He is so right! I always look at these blob-ganks stuff and think ... where are you balls? PVP in this game seems to have a different meaning every other has in mind: Instead of having a skilled competition who is the best pilot (SP and skill-wise) it's nearly only number-based factors that decide an outcome of a PVP-Fight. Also this attitude of people just going for every f*ing kill is so poor. I wonder if these people really feel that awesome if they manage to gank a miner (Oh yes, it was a very hard and intense fight) or just blob another group (It was a balanced fight, wasn't it?). But this results ofcourse of the lack of PVP in general. Some people WANT to shoot stuff, but there is no incentive to go for smaller fights as loosing ships seems to be a real pain for even the pvp-dedicated players. So instead they pick up their buddies (which is good) and go to hunt everything, even solo, not dangerous ships (which is just poor). I wonder, so many people seem to be having billions of ISK on their wallets, why are so few people not ready to throw in some pricey ships and just have a skilled fight? Are people really just about to have their Killcounter go up like in any FPS? I know, right? Like those 100-man fleets in curse. They were just sitting off the test staging systems with drones assigned and that was about it for you if you undocked. Excuse my ignorance, but shouldn't instaundockwarps go past any bubbles on grid in front of the undock? There's a certain distance bubbles can be dropped next to the station? You can drop bubbles right on the undock.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4893
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Posted - 2013.10.20 19:19:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Quote:You mean on to selected others, right? Because judging from recent kills all it takes is fitting a point and both you and him would not engage. Whose recent kills? In case you're talking about me... I was deliberately not bringing myself into this, although i have examples of my own that would show that single individuals can project a lot of force. I picked Kane, because he's a pretty (pun intended xD) example. Bringing myself into this would just scream bias. Force projection usually is about selected others, unless one achieves world domination. How does it matter who or how many the force is projected on? As long as single people can make groups of people apologize publicly (as example) force is projected successfully... no? Ask Harry Forever There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4898
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Posted - 2013.10.21 03:19:00 -
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Blobbers ! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4900
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Posted - 2013.10.21 05:49:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Enduros wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Enduros wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:For OP: 1. Aion is that way ------> 2. I can haz your stuff? 3. Why we violence your boat? Because you were there, and we needed to express ourselves. 4. PvP is fun 5. HTFU 1. No spaceships in it 2. You probably can't even fly most of my stuff 3. ? 4. Compared to what? Other things in eve or other games? Because this is kind of the point of the thread. 5. My shrink strongly advises me against taking any more space-viagra then I already do. 1. No, but does have "PvP by mutual consent, only" according to my last girlfriend. 2. Unless you're packing carriers and Titans, or Indy ships, I can fly almost everything you can. 3. It meant exactly what it said. 4. Compared to nothing. That wasn't a comparative statement. It was an opinion-based statement with no caveats. 5. That doesn't mean you should be as soft as the inside of a space twinkie, though. (if you can't see my humor, I feel bad for you) I have never said I don't like PvP. What I said was there is so much more to it then just the F1 act of PvP, without which you couldn't even have the PvP you speak of. And my point was that PvP is held in too high regard while everything else seems to draw ridicule as if it's the best measuring stick. Best example would be logi pilots. When you fly logi you do far more work yet it goes completely undocumented. Everything in EVE is PvP. Even the forums are PvP. Market? Totes PvP. Mining? Still PvP (literally, when New Order rolls through). Contracts? PvP, as well. Complexing? Oh, SO totally PvP. In my corp, Logi is rewarded. It takes a decently brass pair of stones to follow a bunch of HACs and AFs into hostile lowsec, knowing for sure you aren't getting on a killmail, but are still most likely going to die, in a serious pirate corp. I'm not as brave as some of my corpmates, so I fly the HACs. Hm. Used to be like that (barring idiots who would fit guns and get in trouble and not be reimbursed). We recommended assigning drones to get on killmails.
Now we have participation links, which even record the shiptype, I think. Great stuff. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4904
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:35:00 -
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Enduros wrote:Johan Civire wrote:Well you can see it like that OP. Or you can see it like building a empire. The game is indeed based on PVP and thats the nr 1 reason you play eve online. If not the best way to say it there are better pve/pvc games out there. Sure you can pve/pvc but thats not what eve is made for. Its more a side job of eve online. However because eve have so many pve/pvc content that people think its like wow or other mmorpg but its not...... a common mistake in eve online. You must not have read my post or read it wrong. It's exactly my point that there is so much more to eve PvP then the F1 blowing up stuff and getting killmails part. And yet people put exactly this on some pedestal, it doesn't deserve it. For example the big fights with thousands of people. There is nothing impressive about a thousand monkeys pressing F1 while you have a guy doing the thinking for them and even the flying for them. However the sheer amount of organizational and logistical effort to get those people in a fleet is awe inspiring? All the in-game equipment and teamwork to pull something like that off... it's insane. And the F1 monkeys take the credit. This isn't right. Solo Drakban, the hero we truly need. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4904
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:48:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:You must first understand that there are 2 schools of thought here.
1) Those who understand that the game is ultimately about fighting for space, typically with guns, missiles, drones or under-animated doomsday weapons.
2) Those who have no self-worth, no human value, no sense of glory or moral compass... Those who prey on others who have neither the desire or ABILITY to fight back... Those who lack skill in quite literally every way. Those who "just want to watch the world burn".
Can you guess which group champions the idiotic idea of 'non-consensual pvp'? The structure shooters who only want to take sov and will shoot structures for it? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4904
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:58:00 -
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Learning to assist your drones to your FC is the best thing ever. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4904
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:17:00 -
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General Discussion, more like skillless scrub discussion eh
so much for forums pvp There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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